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I foresee this becoming a big forum in the near future! My name is Danny5, I drive a 2014 Chevy Cruze Diesel, and I will be buying a new car in early 2018. The Stinger has my eye for now. I believe strong enough in this vehicle that I joined this forum [:p]

I searched too and it freaking SCARING me!!! http://www.optimaforums.com/forum/6-optima-engine-technical-discussion/135001-lap3-ecu-tune-finally-available.html Read this if you want to see two tuners slinging mud at each other. Hopefully any vendors taking us on will be more civilized...

Turbo cars are ridiculously easy to tune since manufacturers build a wide safety net into the stock program. You never know if your average customer is going to run low grade and do proper maintenance. What are people getting with turbo Optima's? This might serve as a good measuring stick for...

Fair enough. However, 485hp makes up for a lot of deficiencies in any car. You'd be hard pressed to find any decent corners in the metro Phoenix area anyways... [cool]

I don't know about Mustang/Camaro/Challenger, but I am going to cross-shop this against the 3 series/WRX/Charger. My current favorite is the 392 Charger, but hoping the Stinger, when equipped with the V6, slots pricewise closer to the WRX. Fingers crossed!

New badge usually means a price premium...